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Quagsire, Swampert, Gastrodon, Seismitoad or Whiscash?

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I'd like to raise a Ground/Water type, but I'm not quite sure on which one. Could you tell me what's good or bad about each and which one I should pick?

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it seems that most people use Gastrodon.
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dey all suck w/ their 4x weakness to grass...
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they doesn't suck. one weakness, one immunity, four resistances and neutral to all other types? yes please
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the 4x weakness is WHY people use it, it is only weak to grass and grass isnt a very common attack move in competitive
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unless they chose septile or chestnut or wit ever starter and ev/iv breed it and trained it up perfectly or they just like grass types
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Which is rare. Face it people, most grass pokemon suck
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but quite a few people use trevenent which is in UU and it runs horn leech or wood hammer maybe even drain punch
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Swampert, Quagsire and Seismitoad all get Ice Punch, and Whiscash and Gastrodon get Ice Beam, so that's not that bad if you outspeed or predict a switch in.
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Swampert because I counted up there stats and it came down to swampert and siesmetoad swampert can mega evolve so thats why he's better than siesmetoad also he has a better stat total so swampert also swamperrts a starter how could you say no?
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ok, we can just forget seismitoad and whiscash as they doesn't really have much outside of NU. so it comes down to quagsire, swampert and gastrodon

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quagsire

pros:

  • unaware is one of the best abilities in the game
  • can check some common setup threats thanks to unaware and curse/stockpile. noticeable scizor and aegislash
  • a movepool that helps its ability with stall moves like recover, stockpile, yawn, infestation and scald

cons:

  • 430 Base stat is really bad in most tiers
  • low sp.def, so its hard to stop special sweepers for it
  • its low speed gives it a though time stalling as it needs to survive an attack before it can set up (quagsire has decent bulk, so this shouldn't be a problem although special attackers is still scary)
  • faces stiff competition from other bulky water Pokemons like rotom-w, slowbro and gastrodon itself

Swampert

pros:

  • higest total base stat of the three with 535 compared to 475 and 430
  • works good both offensive and defensive thanks to high attack and good bulk
  • good movepool with SR, waterfall, earthquake and stone edge as examples

cons:

  • its ability could be better
  • low speed

gastrodon

pros

  • average base stat with 475. speed is its only really bad stat , which isn't really necessary on a stall Pokemon
  • its special, which makes it different from the others
  • instant recovery with recover. it has toxic too, so you must do over 50% to take it down which is hard because of its good bulk
  • a good ability which gives it an immunity to water attacks

cons:

  • nerfed heavily along with the rain nerf as its most important role was to counter rain teams
  • yeah, that covers almost everything

the choice

i know this is annoying, but it depends on what you want. I would use quagsire just because its my favorite Pokemon, but I think most people would prefer swampert in gen 6. not sure though. its all option based. to sum up:

  • if you are really weak to psychical set up sweepers: quagsire
  • if you are playing gen 5 and need a rain counter or if your team is already way to psychically biased: gastrodon
  • anything else: swampert

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Swampert @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Hp / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

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Ok, here goes...

Quagsireenter image description here

Type: Water/Ground

Abilities: Damp, Water Absorb & Unaware (HA)

Movepool: Good

Stats:

  • HP: 95
  • Attack: 85
  • Defense: 85
  • Special Attack: 65
  • Special Defense: 65
  • Speed: 35
  • Total: 430

Swampertenter image description here

Type: Water/Ground

Abilities: Torrent & Damp(HA)

Movepool: Good

Stats:

  • HP: 100
  • Attack: 110
  • Defense: 90
  • Special Attack: 85
  • Special Defense: 90
  • Speed: 60
  • Total: 535

Gastrodonenter image description here

Type: Water/Ground

Abilities: Sticky Hold, Storm Drain & Sand Force(HA)

Movepool: Average

Stats:

  • HP: 111
  • Attack: 83
  • Defense: 68
  • Special Attack: 92
  • Special Defense: 82
  • Speed: 39
  • Total: 475

Seismitoadenter image description here

Type: Water/Ground

Abilities: Poison Touch, Swift Swim & Water Absorb(HA)

Movepool: Very Good

Stats:

  • HP: 105
  • Attack: 85
  • Defense: 75
  • Special Attack: 85
  • Special Defense: 75
  • Speed: 74
  • Total: 499

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Type: Water/Ground

Abilities: Anticipation, Oblivious & Hydration(HA)

Movepool: Average

Stats:

  • HP: 110
  • Attack: 78
  • Defense: 73
  • Special Attack: 76
  • Special Defense: 71
  • Speed: 60
  • Total: 468

Stat Comparisons

HP

1st: Gastrodon (111)

2nd: Whiscash (110)

3rd: Seismitoad (105)

4th: Swampert (100)

5th: Quagsire (95)

Attack

1st: Swampert (110)

2nd: Seismitoad & Quagsire (85)

4th: Gastrodon (83)

5th: Whiscash (78)

Defense

1st: Swampert (90)

2nd: Quagsire (85)

3rd: Seismitoad (75)

4th: Whiscash (73)

5th: Gastrodon (68)

Special Attack

1st: Gastrodon (92)

2nd: Swampert & Seismitoad (85)

4th: Whiscash (76)

5th: Quagsire (65)

Special Defense

1st: Swampert (90)

2nd: Gastrodon (82)

3rd: Seismitoad (75)

4th: Whiscash (71)

5th: Quagsire (65)

Speed

1st: Seismitoad (74)

2nd: Swampert & Whiscash (60)

4th: Gastrodon (39)

5th: Quagsire (35)

Total

1st: Swampert (535)

2nd: Seismitoad (499)

3rd: Gastrodon (475)

4th: Whiscash (468)

5th: Quagsire (430)

Overall

I would definetely go with Swampert because of its great movepool, abilities & stats, while Quagsire, Gastrodon & Seismitoad all would come second

Hope I helped!!

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