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What are all the moves whose damage done would remain the same even if some moves like Swords Dance (which sharply raises the Atk) are used?
Like Seismic Toss ignores Attack boosts for the user and Defense boosts for the opponent.

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I asked this because I made a mistake of using Curse and Seismic Toss
Weight-based moves, fixed damaging moves
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No need, the answer is still the same

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Below are the moves that ignores stat modifications and damage would remain same.

1. All OHKO moves (They will KO the opponent if it hits^^)

  • Fissure
  • Guillotine
  • Horn Drill
  • Sheer Cold

2. Fixed damaging moves^ (not OHKO)

  • Dragon Rage
  • Sonic Boom
  • Endeavour
  • Super Fang
  • Seismic Toss
  • Night shade
  • Nature's madness
  • Final Gambit
  • Curse (When used by Ghost type, opponent loses 25% of Maximum HP each turn)
  • Guardian of Alola (Cuts the opponent's HP by 75% of it's remaining)
  • Leech seed
  • Nightmare (Sleeping opponent loses ¼ of it's max. HP each turn)
  • Pain split
  • Perish song (3rd turn)
  • Sand Tomb (After 1st turn of it's most recent usage)
  • Sappy seed (After 1st turn of it's most recent usage)
  • Magma storm (After 1st turn of it's most recent usage)

3. Moves related to foe's previous attack

  • Metal Burst
  • Mirror coat
  • Psywave
  • Counter
  • Bide

4. Always critical hitting moves^^^

  • Storm Throw
  • Frost Breath
  • Zippy Zap
  • Surging Strikes
  • Wicked Blow

Others: Sacred Sword, Darkest lariat, Chip away


^^ Such kind of moves have infinite power. However stat boosts doesn't affect it. These moves fail if it has 'sturdy' ability and items like focus sash.

^ These moves will always cut the opponent's HP in a fixed manner. Stat modifications won't affect their damaging.

^^^ All critical hits and all Always critical-hitting moves Ignores user's negative stat changes and target's positive stat changes.

Thank you!
Source #1 : My experience and this site (Mostly)
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Source - Critical hit

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What about Seismic Toss or any similar move?
Yep! They will....
Thank you very much!
You're welcome!
You should also put Night Shade and Natures Madness in the second category. Also, weight based moves are affected by stat changes.
0 Atk Abomasnow Heat Crash (40 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 68-80 (19.3 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery

+6 0 Atk Abomasnow Heat Crash (40 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 256-304 (72.7 - 86.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery
Ok now?
Heavy Slam is affected by stat changes and Body Slam isn't even a weight based move.
I'm pretty sure Sacred Sword, always-critting moves, and infinite accuracy moves could be included (probably more too) :P. They ignore the your opponent's raised stats.
Infinite accuracy moves? For example Aerial Ace, does it have only 60BP damage? Always?
Is it Ok now?
Still don't have infinite accuracy moves (which ignore the target's accuracy boosts)
No, The user asked about "What are all the moves whose power would remain the same"
Not accuracy.
nvm then lol
Whoever downvoted this, please remove it, as the issue was resolved.
Whoever downvoted this, please remove it, as the issue was resolved.
commented 2 minutes ago by Alphacelestius

Lol don't worry as it is now the BA
I don't believe Critical hits should be included.  They are still affected by every stat bokst.
As per Bulbapedia article 'Always critical hitting moves' it ignores stat boosts.
From Gen 3 onwards, when a move scores a critical hit, the attacker's negative stat changes and the target's positive stat changes are always ignored.

I guess they can be included, but make sure that you say this.
Heavy Slam is affected by stat changes.
I edited.
You forgot bide and counter. You also forgot to say that critical hits ignore only the attacker's negative stat changes and the defender's positive stat changes.
Happy now?
yes (filler)
Whoever downvoted this, please remove it. The issue was fixed now....
Darkest Lariat isn't affected by the target's defense boosts or drops
I guess still many more moves would come as a comment...

Lol
They don't need to do that from now on!
I'm pretty sure that nobody will put suggestions here from now on. I checked the moves master list in this site and found out every such move.

@~BlazingStaraptor~ Do you know I've bad luck.
Hey it's not, it is a bit useful for us, Thanks for your efforts...
I came through with these moves today. Please add Wring Out and Crush Grip (if I'm correct that they also belong here)
But the their damage done can be increased via stat raising moves.