Pros and cons of Cloyster, Lapras, and Dewgong?

Question

How do these three Water/Ice types fare in competitive, and what are their pros and cons?

Comments

Why would you ever use Lapras and Dewong over Jellicent or another bulky Water Type?  Jellicent outclasses both of them with typing, reliable recovery, offensive presence and ability to burn in Scald.  Especially in OU.

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and in turn jellicent is outclassed by toxapex :P

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Honestly, I can't see a reason to. But that's what essentially what I'm asking here, things that might make them worth using.

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There is nothing to make them worth using.  Why would you use a Pokémon that has a clearly better option.  It's illogical to make such a decision.  I can see using Cloyster with Shell Smash, but not the other two.

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Chansey is considered better than Blissey, but Blissey is still used. Same with Porygon2 and Porygon-Z. And Dusclops and Dusknoir.

I'm sure that these three Pokemon still have qualities to make them at least somewhat of a choice. That's all I'm asking.

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree then, but I still respect your opinion.  Don't get why this was downvoted though.  I'll upvote it back up.

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Yep, suppose we'll disagree. Thanks for upvoting.

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Cloyster clicks Shell Smash and then either flinches through their checks with King's Rock or dies pretty quickly. That's all there is to it. Nothing else to see here. It's a fringe option at best.

As for Lapras and Dewgong, there is no reason whatsoever to use them unless you hate yourself.

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How are Dewgong, Cloyster, Lapras, Blissey or any Pokemon from the Porygon or Duskull families still used? According to these stats, none of them are used more than 1.1%. https://www.smogon.com/stats/2020-07/gen7ou-1760.txt None of them have OU analyses on Smogon or appear anywhere in the OU viability rankings.

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I thought this question was for rby ou when I first saw it. Anyways, cloyster was recently added to ou vr and is quite good on veil hyper offense teams.

Answer 1

Pros of Cloyster

• Great offensive typing in part Ice
• Good ability in Skill Link (in conjunction with usage in Icicle Spear and Rock Blast)
• A good setup move in Shell Smash
• Interesting utility in Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Rapid Spin
• Decent offensive stats
• Incredible defense
• is in a higher tier than the other two Pokemon mentioned

Cons of Cloyster

• Ice is really bad defensively and really hinders opportunities to get a Shell Smash, or quite literally any attack off.
• To top it off, Cloysters HP and special defense are also terrible.

Pros of Lapras

• Really good movepool
• Massive HP
• Decent defenses

Cons of Lapras

• Pretty much useless or niche abilities
• Subpar offensive stats
• The defensive stats don't pair well with Ices many weaknesses
• Untiered in Gen 7, which isn't a good thing

Pros of Dewgong

• Thick Fat can make that Fire neutrality into a resistance.

Cons of Dewgong

• There is pretty much nothing useful Dewgong can do that the other two Pokemon mentioned above can't do.
• Untiered in Gen 7.

Hope this helped!

Comments

Oof. Sniped

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Thanks!

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no problem!

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Good answer! Definently deserves BA

Answer 2

Cloyster
Pros:
•The amazing move Shell Smash
•Skill Link+Icicle Spear makes a great 125 power STAB move
•Spectacular 180 Defense
•A quite good 95 attack stat
Cons:
•Low Speed which is still outsped by many scarf users, even after a Shell Smash
•Horrible Sp.Defense and HP
•Not that good of a movepool other than shell smash, and icicle spear
Dewgong
Pros:
•Good 90 HP stat and 95 Sp.Defense stat
•Access to the ability Ice Body, which technically gives it leftovers when in the hail
•Access to the ability Hydration, which cures your status conditions at the end of the turn in the rain making rest an amazing move on it
Cons:
•Not really all that good stats other than the HP and the Sp.Defense
•Mediocre movepool
Lapras
Pros:
•An amazing 130 HP and a good 95 Sp.Defense
•Has Hydration, which I have already explained the goodness of
•Has a wide movepool of intresting moves such as Perish Song, Whirlpool, Dragon Dance, and many other moves
•Not bad 85 attacking stats
Cons:
•Bad Speed

Comments

Thanks to you as well!

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No problem!

Answer 3

Sorry for answering too late, but I hope this answer helps as well:
Cloyster
Pros
-Brillent defence stat of 180
-Ability Skill link makes Rock Blast and Icicle Spear became super strong
-Atk stat of 95 was fine
-ACCESS TO SHELL SMASH
-Good one at cleaning hazard (Rapid Spin) and setting hazard (Spikes and Toxic Spikes)
-Stat was not bad
-Much much more better than the other two you’ve mention
-Could also be a special sweeper but however psychical was more better
Cons
-Super frail and bad Sp.Def of only 45
-HP was another big problem which only got 50
-Typing of Ice / Water was very bad defensively. :(
-Weak to Stelth Rock

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Lapras
Pros
-Good movepool, definitely the best of the Pokemon you’ve mention
-Epic HP
-Defensive stat isn’t that bad
-Could be either Psychical or Special
-Best Base Stat against the Pokemon you’ve mention
Cons
-It’s abilities kinda sucks
-Again, same as cloyster it’s typing was very Frail
-Outclass by other water and ice type Pokemon
-Weak to stealth rock
-Not Actually a good Pokemon to use :p

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Dewgong
Pros
-The ability Thick fat makes it take no neutral damage from fire type attacks anymore
-Could be in either Hail team or Rain team due to the other two abilities
-Good Special Defensive stat
Cons
-Bad bad typing
-Super frail
-Was outclassed by others in a lot of ways

Hope it helps!